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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 04:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a user of GroupWise for e-mail &amp; document management for over a decade &amp; love it.  My peers, who refuse to fill out profile information for documents &amp; who are on the road a lot using GroupWise Remote, hate it.  In fact, I am wondering if there is a way to use a version GroupWise at home with a Yahoo account (b/c I hate web mail THAT much!).  As for your Trash not purging, ours is set that way too - e-mail created in the last 12-24 hours cannot be emptied.  Rules are EASY to set up &amp; VERY versatile, IMHO.  I am going to miss my GroupWise when it goes away in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a user of GroupWise for e-mail &amp; document management for over a decade &amp; love it.  My peers, who refuse to fill out profile information for documents &amp; who are on the road a lot using GroupWise Remote, hate it.  In fact, I am wondering if there is a way to use a version GroupWise at home with a Yahoo account (b/c I hate web mail THAT much!).  As for your Trash not purging, ours is set that way too &#8211; e-mail created in the last 12-24 hours cannot be emptied.  Rules are EASY to set up &amp; VERY versatile, IMHO.  I am going to miss my GroupWise when it goes away in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: Wishful Thinking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wishful Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Groupwise forced upon us.  Most frustrating: can&#039;t clear out emailed appointments or the appointments, even though you&#039;ve &quot;accepted&quot; them, disappear.  Went from Outlook to this and was promised the &quot;same functionality.&quot;  That is untrue.  
Calandaring is the most difficult part--it&#039;s &quot;separate&quot; from the email...but not.  Gee, the last GW I knew screwed the country, now this one&#039;s aiming at the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Groupwise forced upon us.  Most frustrating: can&#8217;t clear out emailed appointments or the appointments, even though you&#8217;ve &#8220;accepted&#8221; them, disappear.  Went from Outlook to this and was promised the &#8220;same functionality.&#8221;  That is untrue.<br />
Calandaring is the most difficult part&#8211;it&#8217;s &#8220;separate&#8221; from the email&#8230;but not.  Gee, the last GW I knew screwed the country, now this one&#8217;s aiming at the world</p>
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		<title>By: atrollsays</title>
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		<dc:creator>atrollsays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the PRO goupwise posts here from crapwise administrators. Whos worthless ass would be out of a job and forced to flip burgers or work in the local jails as that would be all they are qualified to do. Even Groupwise is like the soviet union of email. IT BLOWS and the ADMINS know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the PRO goupwise posts here from crapwise administrators. Whos worthless ass would be out of a job and forced to flip burgers or work in the local jails as that would be all they are qualified to do. Even Groupwise is like the soviet union of email. IT BLOWS and the ADMINS know it.</p>
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		<title>By: CrazyWilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrazyWilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Running approximately 300 clients with Groupwise, many problems do happen. The wonderful D107 error is a weekly happening on random clients, appointments not showing up right away, and now Version 8 likes to set your view back to some default each time you open. It&#039;s not a horrible system but I would not mind trying another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Running approximately 300 clients with Groupwise, many problems do happen. The wonderful D107 error is a weekly happening on random clients, appointments not showing up right away, and now Version 8 likes to set your view back to some default each time you open. It&#8217;s not a horrible system but I would not mind trying another.</p>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Whine Session: Weekend Work &#124; The Collared Sheep - A Cubicle Community</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Whine Session: Weekend Work &#124; The Collared Sheep - A Cubicle Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 13:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not a major fan of my company&#8217;s e-mail client, Groupwise, it does have a key feature that can potentially save you from weekend work. Post dating emails. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wednesday Whine Session: Reply All &#124; The Collared Sheep - A Cubicle Community</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wednesday Whine Session: Reply All &#124; The Collared Sheep - A Cubicle Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is an email necessity, there is no doubt about that. However, in a perfect world, Microsoft, GroupWise (would not exist), and Lotus Notes would have a new reply feature &#8211; &#8220;reply all impossible.&#8221; Imagine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is an email necessity, there is no doubt about that. However, in a perfect world, Microsoft, GroupWise (would not exist), and Lotus Notes would have a new reply feature &#8211; &#8220;reply all impossible.&#8221; Imagine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: never say never</title>
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		<dc:creator>never say never</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 16:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having used (and administered) Groupwise, Exchange, and Lotus Notes.  I would gladly put Groupwise up against the others.

Exchange / Outlook slicker look, but Exchange Server can&#039;t begin to compete with Groupwise for uptime or reliability.  Exchange Server has had numerous problems including &#039;losing&#039; e-mail when it is greylisted.

Lotus Notes - All I can say is YUK, too costly doesn&#039;t display HTML well, especially is CSS is used.

Groupwise, I have NEVER had a Groupwise Client infect a workstation with a virus.  I can&#039;t say that about Outlook.  Groupwise is not quite as intuitive as Outlook, but over all the Server Side is much more stable and secure, and the Client side is more stable and a much &#039;cleaner&#039; interface even if it is less intuitive.

No one system is perfect, but overall for stability and security I have to go with Novell and Groupwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having used (and administered) Groupwise, Exchange, and Lotus Notes.  I would gladly put Groupwise up against the others.</p>
<p>Exchange / Outlook slicker look, but Exchange Server can&#8217;t begin to compete with Groupwise for uptime or reliability.  Exchange Server has had numerous problems including &#8216;losing&#8217; e-mail when it is greylisted.</p>
<p>Lotus Notes &#8211; All I can say is YUK, too costly doesn&#8217;t display HTML well, especially is CSS is used.</p>
<p>Groupwise, I have NEVER had a Groupwise Client infect a workstation with a virus.  I can&#8217;t say that about Outlook.  Groupwise is not quite as intuitive as Outlook, but over all the Server Side is much more stable and secure, and the Client side is more stable and a much &#8216;cleaner&#8217; interface even if it is less intuitive.</p>
<p>No one system is perfect, but overall for stability and security I have to go with Novell and Groupwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Reply All</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reply All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>philhege - GroupWise 7 actually has this function (hard for me to admit).

Try the following:
View -&gt; Display Settings -&gt; Discussion Threads

Latest rant about GroupWise - The ability to send recurring meeting invites.  What a great way to flood an inbox, thanks GroupWise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>philhege &#8211; GroupWise 7 actually has this function (hard for me to admit).</p>
<p>Try the following:<br />
View -> Display Settings -> Discussion Threads</p>
<p>Latest rant about GroupWise &#8211; The ability to send recurring meeting invites.  What a great way to flood an inbox, thanks GroupWise.</p>
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		<title>By: philhege</title>
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		<dc:creator>philhege</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve used both, and both have their annoyances.  It took some digging to set my GW signature up the way I want it (why is it so obtuse to place an image in there?), but most of the functions are tolerable.

The only thing I see missing from GW (and maybe it&#039;s in 8; I don&#039;t know) is the conversation function. Outlook can return all of the replies/forwards in logical order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve used both, and both have their annoyances.  It took some digging to set my GW signature up the way I want it (why is it so obtuse to place an image in there?), but most of the functions are tolerable.</p>
<p>The only thing I see missing from GW (and maybe it&#8217;s in 8; I don&#8217;t know) is the conversation function. Outlook can return all of the replies/forwards in logical order.</p>
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		<title>By: buffaloshark</title>
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		<dc:creator>buffaloshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GW definitely has some issues, but some of your complaints are weak.

&quot;7. I have 90 emails in my trash folder. When I try and empty the folder, the emails disappear. When I click on the trash folder again, VOILA! 90 emails in my trash folder.&quot;

talk to your IT staff. They likely have smart purge enabled

Making a vacation rule isn&#039;t hard even in GW7.

As for the Find function, I&#039;ve never had a speed issue with it, but it does have frequent issues not finding email that definitely fits the search criteria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GW definitely has some issues, but some of your complaints are weak.</p>
<p>&#8220;7. I have 90 emails in my trash folder. When I try and empty the folder, the emails disappear. When I click on the trash folder again, VOILA! 90 emails in my trash folder.&#8221;</p>
<p>talk to your IT staff. They likely have smart purge enabled</p>
<p>Making a vacation rule isn&#8217;t hard even in GW7.</p>
<p>As for the Find function, I&#8217;ve never had a speed issue with it, but it does have frequent issues not finding email that definitely fits the search criteria</p>
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		<title>By: Srsly?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srsly?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should tell you something when one of the responses that defend Groupwise is &quot;upgrade to GW8 and you&#039;ll get a brand new vacation feature that makes it easy&quot; -- since when should this be something to cling to? Seriously...it&#039;s 2010. Vacation responders should be a base feature...not something that you have to upgrade to the latest and greatest version to enjoy. If nothing else, it tells you something about their product development map that it took until GW8 to have an &quot;easy to use&quot; vacation feature.

Silent retraction? Makes non-tech admins feel all warm and fuzzy, but in all reality, it&#039;s not trustable. If someone has already read the email, and you retract it...you&#039;ll think everything is fine, but it&#039;s really not. The message is still out there.

And another defense of GW is that &#039;your organization needs to invest in more hardware&#039; -- or something to that effect. Umm...why? What is the overwhelming benefit of keeping an email system in house that continues to grow, continues to suck more resources and more funding each year.....why wouldn&#039;t you go with a cost-effective model like outsourcing, where you pay the same flat rate every single year, and get all the features you need without having to worry about all the extra things GW requires.

A little case study off the top of my head (not exhaustive):

GW == Server hardware, backup hardware, proprietary non-standards based messaging (IMAP for example), requires extra hardware and software to provide archiving/retention, requires in-house expertise to maintain the system

Google == no required hardware, no required backup hardware, standards based messaging, requires no extra hardware to add archiving or retention ability, requires no in-house expertise to maintain the system. All you need is people feeding google the data (LDAP), and then...well...that&#039;s about it...if you want to compare apples to apples.

I can&#039;t see any reason why any place still runs an in house system, let alone Groupwise. It just doesnt make sense in the long term from a cost-benefit analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should tell you something when one of the responses that defend Groupwise is &#8220;upgrade to GW8 and you&#8217;ll get a brand new vacation feature that makes it easy&#8221; &#8212; since when should this be something to cling to? Seriously&#8230;it&#8217;s 2010. Vacation responders should be a base feature&#8230;not something that you have to upgrade to the latest and greatest version to enjoy. If nothing else, it tells you something about their product development map that it took until GW8 to have an &#8220;easy to use&#8221; vacation feature.</p>
<p>Silent retraction? Makes non-tech admins feel all warm and fuzzy, but in all reality, it&#8217;s not trustable. If someone has already read the email, and you retract it&#8230;you&#8217;ll think everything is fine, but it&#8217;s really not. The message is still out there.</p>
<p>And another defense of GW is that &#8216;your organization needs to invest in more hardware&#8217; &#8212; or something to that effect. Umm&#8230;why? What is the overwhelming benefit of keeping an email system in house that continues to grow, continues to suck more resources and more funding each year&#8230;..why wouldn&#8217;t you go with a cost-effective model like outsourcing, where you pay the same flat rate every single year, and get all the features you need without having to worry about all the extra things GW requires.</p>
<p>A little case study off the top of my head (not exhaustive):</p>
<p>GW == Server hardware, backup hardware, proprietary non-standards based messaging (IMAP for example), requires extra hardware and software to provide archiving/retention, requires in-house expertise to maintain the system</p>
<p>Google == no required hardware, no required backup hardware, standards based messaging, requires no extra hardware to add archiving or retention ability, requires no in-house expertise to maintain the system. All you need is people feeding google the data (LDAP), and then&#8230;well&#8230;that&#8217;s about it&#8230;if you want to compare apples to apples.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see any reason why any place still runs an in house system, let alone Groupwise. It just doesnt make sense in the long term from a cost-benefit analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rubbish., plain and simple.......Rubbish.

For a start GroupWise is NOT an email &#039;Program&#039;. It is an entire System. Like Exchange + Outlook. Except it is less resource hungry, consumes less disk space per message. The messages are kept more securely (IE Encrypted AND compressed) PLUS all the things Ben says in his Article. The best thing about GroupWise is that every time there is a new mail worm or virus out, the administrators don&#039;t start sweating bullets like the M$ guys do. I&#039;d rather &quot;put the effort into making the transition to another client&quot; so I knew my data was safe and secure!! You can run Outlook against the Groupwise backend if you really wanted to but that is unfortunately where MOST odf the vulnerabilities are in M$ mail systems. That hopelessly insecure piece of code they call Outlook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubbish., plain and simple&#8230;&#8230;.Rubbish.</p>
<p>For a start GroupWise is NOT an email &#8216;Program&#8217;. It is an entire System. Like Exchange + Outlook. Except it is less resource hungry, consumes less disk space per message. The messages are kept more securely (IE Encrypted AND compressed) PLUS all the things Ben says in his Article. The best thing about GroupWise is that every time there is a new mail worm or virus out, the administrators don&#8217;t start sweating bullets like the M$ guys do. I&#8217;d rather &#8220;put the effort into making the transition to another client&#8221; so I knew my data was safe and secure!! You can run Outlook against the Groupwise backend if you really wanted to but that is unfortunately where MOST odf the vulnerabilities are in M$ mail systems. That hopelessly insecure piece of code they call Outlook.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding points #1 and #3, I must say, I&#039;ve never considered your point of view for either, so reading your comments was very enlightening.  #1 - I can&#039;t imagine working in an environment where the network is so slow that that would be a problem.  I tried to duplicate the situation you experienced, but couldn&#039;t.  It&#039;s something to consider, though.  Hey, go to support.novell.com, hover over Contribute and click &quot;Submit Enhancement Request&quot; - who knows, they may make that a selectable option in a future release.

 #3, I work in the IT dept at a medium sized medical center, and from what I&#039;ve seen, probably 70-80% of the organization&#039;s email communication is internal.  Maybe different environments have a different mix (Sales, maybe?), but I&#039;m sure there are still a lot of organizations that would consider features like the silent retract to be very useful.

As a GroupWise administrator for the last 12 years or so, I must say that from an administrative point of view, I can&#039;t imagine an email system being much easier.  We have 3,500 users in 15 post offices on about a dozen servers, and I share admin duties with one other FTE.  I probably spend about 5% of my time on GW admin tasks, and he probably spends 20-30%.  Even when I was the only admin, I doubt I spent more than 30-40% of my time on GW, if that much.  We researched migrating to Exchange a while back, and the initial hardware/sofware/conversion costs alone would have been roughly $1million, and it would have required us adding at least one, and probably 2 FTEs to administer it - so from a business standpoint, GroupWise has a lot going for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding points #1 and #3, I must say, I&#8217;ve never considered your point of view for either, so reading your comments was very enlightening.  #1 &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine working in an environment where the network is so slow that that would be a problem.  I tried to duplicate the situation you experienced, but couldn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s something to consider, though.  Hey, go to support.novell.com, hover over Contribute and click &#8220;Submit Enhancement Request&#8221; &#8211; who knows, they may make that a selectable option in a future release.</p>
<p> #3, I work in the IT dept at a medium sized medical center, and from what I&#8217;ve seen, probably 70-80% of the organization&#8217;s email communication is internal.  Maybe different environments have a different mix (Sales, maybe?), but I&#8217;m sure there are still a lot of organizations that would consider features like the silent retract to be very useful.</p>
<p>As a GroupWise administrator for the last 12 years or so, I must say that from an administrative point of view, I can&#8217;t imagine an email system being much easier.  We have 3,500 users in 15 post offices on about a dozen servers, and I share admin duties with one other FTE.  I probably spend about 5% of my time on GW admin tasks, and he probably spends 20-30%.  Even when I was the only admin, I doubt I spent more than 30-40% of my time on GW, if that much.  We researched migrating to Exchange a while back, and the initial hardware/sofware/conversion costs alone would have been roughly $1million, and it would have required us adding at least one, and probably 2 FTEs to administer it &#8211; so from a business standpoint, GroupWise has a lot going for it.</p>
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